It was budget cut deja vu at yesterday night's Board of Education Meeting. Interim Superintendent Michael Nast presented a list of possible budget cuts that were reminscient of many of the items on the chopping block last year, including grade 3 strings, assistant principals at some schools, middle school Academically Talented, and Artistically Talented.
"The staff and I have gone throught the budget line by line. At this point nothing is in cement, but we have to start talking about the cuts and making decisions," said Nast, who is in touch with incoming superintendent Susan Marks about the budget process.
The BOE has been asked by the Board of Estimation and Taxation to cut $5 million from its $155 million budget. So far, Nast has been able to bring the budget down by $3.5 million. Nast gave the board some details about these reductions. Middle school principal have proposed cutting the Academically Talented program for gifted children. (The middle schools were asked to choose their own cuts. The high schools will share their cuts at the next board meeting.).
In addition, he is asking the athletic directors of the high schools to reduce their budget by $20,000 each. The Structure of Intellect test taken by grade 2 students as a screening tool for AT will also be eliminated. Nast said that the in-school suspension law, requiring additional staff to monitor students serving suspensions in school, may be implemented next year and cause some additional expense. The final decision about the implementation date of this law will be known in early May. Nast also explained that Pupil Personnel Services was increasing by 13 percent because it has been "historically under budgeted."
On Tuesday, Nast presented a series of potential (bold, underlined in his handout) that could make up the remaining $1.6 million shortfall. Highlights of the cut list include: 2 assistant principals in elementary, 1 assistant principal in the middle schools, 3 Columbus elementary aides (combine grades 4-5), 5 literacy coaches, artistically talented, grade 3 stings, 1/2 day kindergarten, 1 security guard at Ponus Middle School.
"I feel like I'm reliving last year," said BOE member Jody Bishop-Pullan. "Every one of these cuts will affect the kids and teachers."
Jack Chiaramonte was unhappy about the possibility of these cuts and spoke directly to the teacher union leader, Bruce Mellion, demanding givebacks. "You are the second highest paid teachers in the state.This is an insult to the taxpayers. Do what's right."
Nast said that he expects the Board to digest this information over the next two weeks and come back with questions and recommendations. He will also seek feedback from principals and schools staff on the proposals. In addition, he will be at the upcoming PTO Coucil meeting to discuss potential cuts with parents.
Nast introduced the newly hired math instructional specialist Craig Creller, who used to work for the Middletown school district and CREC. Creller has extensive experience in teacher training. Nast also gave an update on the hiring process for Director of Pupil Personel. An interim director, Diane Ferber, has been selected. There are two finalists for the permanent position. Nast, along with other central office personel are going to interview the finalists on Friday.
Board chair Glenn Iannaccone said that he has presented a contract to Dr. Susan Mark, the newly appointed superintendent. Once the BOE and Marks have agreed on the terms of the contract, it will be made available to the public.
A version of this story appears in The Daily Norwalk
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
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This is awful--remove the gifted program altogther?? Eliminate the strings program for 3rd grade? Steve--this was asked of you a few weeks back and you were pretty clear that this was not what would be on the chopping board. Again the question becomes why aren't we cutting from above but our we taking from the kids....espcailly the young ones. This years 2nd graers have already taken that SOI test--unfair to eliminate it as it is a handy tool and is a marker for reading (DRP) growth and the AT program.
ReplyDeleteHOW CAN NORWALK EVEN THINK ABOUT ELIMINATING THE AT PROGRAM?
Remove the 100K+ administrators!
ReplyDeleteDéjà vu is correct! But this time we are talking again about eliminating AT program and strings program. What is that about? As a parent of a current 3rd grader who loves AT, artistically talented and strings I am devastated for my child and any child in elementary school who needs “extra challenges” and is capable.
ReplyDeleteWhat administrator cuts – other than AP—was discussed?
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to changing to a cheaper law firm?
ReplyDeleteBOE member Jody Bishop-Pullan. "Every one of these cuts will affect the kids and teachers."
ReplyDeleteHow about eliminating all the dead wood on the third floor at City Hall and recoup MILLIONS.
For clarification, it is the middle school AT program that is a potential cut, not the elementary one.
ReplyDeleteRemoving ANY AT programs, at elementary or middle school levels is a disservice to the children. Would they cut special needs programs? This is the other end of the spectrum, AT kids need more challenge than the general program permits. Cut administration, not the kid's programs.
ReplyDeleteFurther, what benefits would cutting out one year of strings bring? It seems like a silly solution to a much bigger problem.
What does a Director of Pupil Personnel actually do?
ReplyDelete"I feel like I'm reliving last year," said BOE member Jody Bishop-Pullan. WHAT?! Then do something about it! YOUR talk is cheap and so is the talk of other members. Columbus School - fight for your aids, you will hurt the most; reduction of 5 Literacy teachers; in which schools and how many kids will be affected by this?; Talented programs - middle schools are taking that away, WHY? What is the strategy behind that? Parents are you listening! 1/2 Day of Kindergarten - un-real, kindergarten is where it starts - can someone say - NCLB & another year of Needs of Improvement? Get real. Unions still not willing to renegotiate - WOW - there is power in UNIONS. PARENTS - it is our turn to change this around! Get involved and find out how your kids will be affected in all this.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the 6:44am poster, I think you have some misconceptions as to what programs special needs children receive. My child is classified under both and I can assure you that she receives far more for her AT needs than she does for her special needs, so you are comparing apples to oranges. Moreover, special needs students and their families in general need to supplant their educational needs tremendously with outside services even in the best of circumstances, so perhaps parents of AT children can do the same.
ReplyDeleteEach of the suggestions made by Supt. Nast will be closely reviewed by the Finance Committee over the next several weeks. He deserves much praise for the diligent and open manner he is addressing this budget crisis.
ReplyDeleteWe will be looking at some additional information tonight concerning the impact of teacher position cuts at the high schools and will be having an in-depth discussion of Middle School issues.
Regarding Central Office matters, we will also be discussing the costs of professional development and ways that savings could be achieved in that area.
My goal as Chairperson of the Finance Committee has been to gather information and have unfiltered discussions with the staff and parents so that we can achieve a better understanding of how our programs actually function-- then, and only then, can we assess the impact of budget cuts (or the need for added funding) in those areas.
I do believe that the revised budget needs to more closely reflect responsible expenditures for legal services (those line items should be cut by more than $100,000 particularly given how few contracts will need to be negotiated in the 2010-2011 budget year). I do believe that academically talented programs are needed in both the elementary and middle school levels and should not be cut (much as I believe that we can ill afford any reduction in the number of reading specialists we employ).
Regarding the SOI, that test is but one factor that is used to assess students for the AT program-- based upon my conversations with educators, I do think that it can be eliminated as Principal Ditrio had suggested some time ago.
I am a supporter of our Strings Program-- however, I do think that we need to keep an open mind about the possiblity of starting it in the Fourth Grade. But, that is a decision that should only be made after discussions with our music educators.
Finally, given our at-risk population, I don't think that it would be prudent to eliminate intervention aides and outreach workers-- these are positions that have significant impact on the lives of our students and their families.
If any of you would like a copy of the agenda and supporting materials for tonight's Finance Committee meeting, please email me and I will forward it to you.
Steve Colarossi
colarossis@norwalkps.org
The simple question for all members of the BOE and the Superintendents who we have entrusted with their roles is in what way do these cuts help our children?
ReplyDeleteHere's a thought - for one year, and ONE YEAR ONLY don't fill the vacant central office positions. This way we can tell if they are really needed, and not touch the employees who are working daily with Norwalk children.
ReplyDeleteAmen to the 6:56 poster! I have a special needs middle schooler whom we have spent literally thousands of dollars on over the years for outside occupational & speech therapy (some partially covered by medical insurance but much is not) & social skills groups to supplement what the schools are giving him. Many special needs parents can't afford all that & must rely exclusively on what the schools provide.
ReplyDeleteOn the other end of the spectrum, my other 2 kids are AT kids, and the activities we have supplemented their educations with aren't cheap, but cost way less than what my special needs son has done outside of school.
To the 8:17am poster...thank you for your response!! And what you describe above just talks about the issues with respect to the child. It says nothing about the extraordinary amount of money, hardship, and time that parents of special needs kids must spend in even aquiring these services in a lot of cases.
ReplyDeleteI believe that if the spec ed department spent more money on the programs and less on the lawyers, there would be more money left over for everyone to benefit.
The AT program removes children from the classroom in the elementary school and has its own curriculum. As an educator, I would think that the AT curriculum should be a part of what the classroom teacher has available. After all, if it's so outstanding, why not let every child have exposure to it?
ReplyDeleteAs for the Literacy Coaches, good riddance. These people have the least effect on the children. If anything, they are used by principals in a variety of administrative duties. No one wants most of them in the classroom for coaching purposes.
Good call on the APs. The small schools have principals with nothing to do. The AP is typically in charge of everything...and the Literacy Specialist is used as a second AP. Put the small school principals to work!
9:49 AM misses the point about what AT does for kids (and seems to have an ax to grind with the elementary and middle schools). AT does take kids in the middle schools out of one of their blocks of language arts-- the AT kids are then in a more challenging environment and the LA teachers can focus more attention on the other kids. Plus, the AT middle school teachers all have 6 blocks of teaching every day. If that program is cut, there will be a need to provide some additional teaching resources for the LA teachers.
ReplyDeleteYes there are a few living in the twilight zone in those chairs. If some BOE members thought they had it bad last year, pass the popcorn. Ya have to hand it to Nast, he sure does do his homework. He is absolutely correct Pupil Services is far below what is needed and with changes in leadership and very large, looming vultures circling, yeah we absolutely need more people and brighter people in that department. Nast is also correct that the state will not allow a third year pass on the in school suspensions. No way, no how. Norwalk BOE is done breaking the law. Take that to the bank. Now, since the temperature is about to rise, a seed we shall plant. If we need 1.6 and it costs 1.3 to tear down the old P.D. Can someone clearly point out the charter rule that says we cant put the demo on hold and use that funding to support immediate critical needs in education? Or we gonna drop a million letting the lawyers slug it out? Common sense, anyone? Wilms and BET push the bond rating deal over and over. Question for BET? If you guys are saving 5 million refinancing this year, you guys cant come up with a million and a half? Really? Cmon, you guys really want to play push and shove with this mob? Pony up boys, there is no wiser investment than the education of our towns future leaders. Case in point, look in the mirror. With a horrid education system exactly who will want to raise a family here? If your having a child this year and live in Norwalk, will you want your child in this embarrassing disgrace of a public education system? And yes, it is that bad. What commercial tenants are going to locate here with a failing public school system? Enough with the shell games. Lets take care of our priorities. Kids First. The children have been robbed enough. We do not need 30 million in the kitty, 20 will maintain the ratings. Pick up the step here people. Those are two solutions, pick one, introduce your own. But those who dare to rip that chain saw cord, be prepared for a mess. Kids have lost enough opportunities. Slicing into the childrens backpack aint gonna happen without a fierce battle. Wouldn't want to be in the wrong shoes at the right time. Flash back anyone?
ReplyDeleteHeads up everyone.
ReplyDeleteA sneek peak at the public awareness campaign hitting the airwaves.
conncan.org/aboutus/news/conn-reform-group-buys-tv-ads-push-race-top-bid
Time and big money is slipping away.
Just twelve days remaing to get this done, action now people.
http://www.conncan.org
If your reading this,you know what needs to be done, immediately.
Take the time, to take the time and make a difference.
Do what needs doing, get your, relatives, friends and neighbors alerted, immediately.
Lets get HB 5491 and HB 5425 out of the "to do" pile and into the "made it happen" pile.
Take the time, to take the time and make a difference. You do have the power, excersize it.
Do what needs doing, get your, relatives, friends and neighbors alerted,and blast those emails loud and clear, immediately. If you already have, send three more emails and make another three more calls. Your help in getting this done is desperately needed.
Lets get HB 5491 and HB 5425 out of the to do pile and into the made it happen pile.
Please, be heard now. you do have the power, use it, use it now.
State House Reprentative of the 142 district;
email - Lawrence.Cafero@housegop.state.ct.us
Telephone - Toll Free - 800-842-1423
State Senator Bob Duff from the 25 district;
Email - Duff@senatedems.ct.gov
Telephone - Toll free - 800-842-1420
Push as hard as you can, big stakes here for our students.
Please, get busy.
Same shit, different year........
ReplyDelete10:36, I do not have an agenda re elementary and middle school. I do have an agenda re elementary principals who knit during the day because they have nothing to do. Don't believe it? It is true! The small schools do NOT need their APs or their Literacy Coaches.
ReplyDeleteAs for AT, I still stand by the idea that if the curriculum is so good, allow all students to benefit from it. Why restrict it to those who are 'better than the average?' Let's up the ante for all students. Isn't that precisely what other countries are doing who test higher than we do?
Pupil Personnel Services = Special Ed
ReplyDeleteFor me, the question is what is Central office giving up and once again the Interim Supt. wants our children to suffer? Far too often, it is the schools who do not receive any Title I money who suffer the most. Title I money can be used to replace the lost aides or the Literacy coach at a Title I school. What about schools like Naramake or Rowayton who don't receive the funding? They're just supposed to keep making more sacrafices. Make the hard cuts that constitute big bucks in Central Office. Do you need names - or just titles???
ReplyDeleteWhy are there so many special ed kids in Norwalk as opposed to Westport, Darien or our other neighbors in Fairfield County? The other towns don't seem to be struggling with this?
ReplyDeletePrincipals knitting during the day?
ReplyDeleteWait... are principals entitled to a break? Maybe she/he knits during lunch?
Ummm... what school is this?
To the 1:34pm poster...can you please point me in the direction of finding the statistics you mention? I would love to look at the breakdown by district. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteSteve—as a parent of a third grader who is in the strings program at Marvin I beg to differ about eliminating the program and its importance at this age. She is doing remarkable and thrives the 2 days a week when she has strings instruction. She is an average student whose outlet and talent has thrived with the strings program. Her self-confidence has increased—she has learned so much about the strings instruments, notes, beats, etc. Before you consider eliminating this for third graders---go to the end of the year concert that Mrs. DiFranco puts on. She is amazing and her third graders are doing amazing. Have you ever been to a concert by third graders? I know times are tight—but my question to you is what central office positions are being looked at to be cut?? You are very good about responding on this blog so I look forward to your response.
ReplyDeleteNot all studenst can take the increased work load and enriched curriculum so it is not appropriate for all students. It is called differientiated instruction. Stduenst are leveled off as they get older and righfully so--look at how strained our elementary teachers are teaching to so many different levels inone classroom. Nobody wins in that situation. I haev twins in 5th grade and look foward to middle school where they will get some instruction on their level with phase 2 math so they are not bored.
ReplyDeleteOur principal leaves at 4 everyday with no work being brought home. We see him while we at the playground. Teachers are there much later than him. I agree--these prinicpals have it easy--with full time AP and literacy coaches. Come on--let's cut where its due. Will their salaries be frozen??
ReplyDeleteDear 5:13 Strings Parent--
ReplyDeleteLike you, I too was the parent of two third-grade strings students (one of whom is continuing to play in the 7th grade). I deeply appreciated the many positive attributes that come from music lessons. And, from my own experience as someone who studied guitar starting from when I was in first grade and played through college (where I played in a traditional big band jazz orchestra), I think that music lessons provide more to children than just the ability to play an instrument. However, the question must be asked if the benefit that third graders receive is justified by the cost of that additional teaching position. Or put another way, we should be asking ourselves if the gain to a child can still be obtained if we wait until the child is in 4th grade to start strings lessons. Not being a music educator, I don't know the answer to that question—which is why I intend to consult with the experts (such as Mrs. DeFranco).
As for Central Office cuts, this evening we reviewed some of the professional development expenses, jobs in the facilities department and the impact of cuts in those areas. We have been undertaking a very thorough department by department analysis of expenses (which lead to our finally having legal service fees be reviewed and put out to a competitive bidding process).
Feel free to email me with any other questions or concerns you may have.
Well group, the cats out of the bag.
ReplyDeleteThe Washignton Post published a piece April 20,2010. Now we know what Marks and her associates were bolting from. Montgomery County
is cutting 4,000 paychecks from the very top heavy administration. We now clearly know what Marks was running away from. That intimidating feeling of an empty bank account. Does Marks have a clue what she is getting into?
Very unfortunately, for the students of Norwalk CT she doesn't. Just another far over compensated administrator leech that should have been given the boot long ago. Confidence in the BOE's judgement? Absolutely not. There has got to be a better way than putting clueless egotistical clowns in those extremely important seats of authority over our childrens futures.
Marks, you better get every damn penny you can now, because you are going to earn it, this time, around this maypole.
Can't say that I am surprised 11:19. Unfortuantely, we as parents have been subjected to the fact that we were only allowed a 'limited' pool of candidates for supt. job in the first place. The fact that education will only take 'one of their own' rather than seek alternative candidates with experience in running or turning around dysfunctional organizations, ensures that Norwalk will end up with more of the same. Short term solution: rally behind the good teachers and reinforce education in the home. Longer term solution: BOE...think outside the box and select a leader outside of education, but one who possesses a passion for the future success of our country.
ReplyDeleteSTEVE__Thanks for your reply about hte strings program for grade 3--let me ask you inplan terms. How much will one teacher save? Becasue in the end, eliinating that proigram will probably only save you ONE teacher. Mt child is in 3rd grade in another school. She inly gets lessons once every 6 days for 30 monutes and she has also gained so much from it. (Not sure why she has fewer lessons--something to look into.) But honestly her gains in self confidence have also been great and she is really good at it. She (and her parents) have discovered a talenet that she didn't know she had As a child with no athletic abilities--that is huge.
ReplyDeletePlus Steve--I have to say you did not address cutting the administrators--to hear that some are leaving so early and knitting?? What positions from down town are being cut?? Administraors can be cut for a year--if there is all this leadership inthe buildings why do we need those leaders---eliminitae them for a year and then see what is truly needed.
I am disappointed.
11:19 has blatantly lied--- the Washington Post article talked about region-wide layoffs throughout DC, Virginia and Maryland.
ReplyDeletePlus an earlier article explained that teacher reductions were less for Montgomery County than the number that typically retire or leave for other reasons. Finally, there are no news articles about any mass defections.
Too bad 11:19 is so mired in trying to derail Dr. Marks that the poster is willing to just outright lie.
3:18--I agree. One strings teacher is not going to solve the problem. I have a son who is in 2nd grade who is so ecited to start the strinsg program, and honestly so am I. Research shows that the younger a child starts (is exposed) to music) the easier the skills are developed. (It is just like learning a new langauge--because it is. It is an enrichment that serves so many purposes--not just the musical piece. As a parent, not a politian, the cost of one teacher for me is not going to solve the problem. Does anyone know what would be the cost savings for this? Just curious.
ReplyDeleteWhy aren't people looking at administrators? Or people who work downtowna nd never see a child???? BOE--are you listening??
As we speak of cuts---did you know that two new administrators were hired……Craig Creller for Math and Deborah Farber – Interim Director of SpEd and Pupil Personnel Services. BOE—hold off on hiring administrators until we figure out what to do with this deficit. It makes no sense that we are talking about cutting kindergarten and programs for kids yet we are hiring more people that make big bucks and do not work with the kids directly.
ReplyDeleteLet's start making sense.
The answers to these questions won't resolve the remainder of the deficit, but every bit counts:
ReplyDeleteWhy can't the assistant director of special education run the department, with assistance from the special education supervisors?
Will the director of human relations have a job with the NPS after July 1?
How about not giving the teachers a raise again!!! Who else got raises this year -- we have the 2nd highest paid teachers in the State of Connecticut. Meanwhile, Side by Side Charter School just got a technology grant giving ALL of their 6th through 8th graders their own Dell Netbook Computers, MP3 Player and Flash Drive so they can transport and use the computer at home and at school. This AND Smartboards in every classroom. Their teachers declined raises this year. Why can't we run our schools like Side by Side. Whose lottery is tonight by the way, and ALL of my public school students are in it.
ReplyDeleteI wish you better luck with Side by Side than I had - I ended up having to have my child return to their public school and repeat a grade.
ReplyDeleteI would be concerned that your child would have likely had the same issues anywhere. My children are absolutely THRIVING at Side by Side, there is not a public or private school in this county I would put them. Side by Side is a truly incredible place that keeps getting better and better.
ReplyDelete11:48 - it's true my child has the same issues no matter what the school setting. What was different at the public school was a willingness to work with me and my child - and that was glaringly lacking at Side by Side. On the other hand, they were quite willing to keep my older child and her stellar CMT scores...technology is great, but if you can't reach all learners, can you really be a successful charter school? Why not call yourself what you really are - a publicly funded private school?
ReplyDeleteI suspect the reason the Side by Side is so successful is a) they don't have to deal with the BOE and all the administrative red tape in central office b) they have an active parent group who works hard to get the kids the funding and equipment that they need to be successful and c) they aren't required to provide special services, so if you can't keep up, you leave. Unfortunately, the rest of Norwalk's public schools don't have the same options.
ReplyDeleteHas anyone heard what's going on this week at Wolfpit School between the principal and all of the teachers?
ReplyDeleteAre we sticking to the topic or is this becoming a gossip rag?
ReplyDeleteDisappointed to read about the strings program being possibly discontinued at Gr 3--loved it for my older chold and was so looking forward to it for my 2nd grader next year. We too hae Barb DiFranco--sheis incredible!! I can't imagine she would say it is better to start in 4th grade as her stduenst (which she sees at the middle school level get 6 years of instruction from her and thrive!!)
ReplyDeleteMakes no sense to discontinue the AT program in the middle school.....as for the strings, seemslike an easy fix.
ReplyDeleteAgain, I am saying what so many are saying---WHAT ABOUT THE AP? Get rid of them or combine the AP/Literacy couach job. Principals seem to have the life with so much support, great hours, and great pay.
BOE are you listening?
Let’s start looking closer at administrators and office staff. My child's school had 2 secretaries that are not being productive. They are talking, laughing, and unresponsive to people who may be standing their needing their help. Do we really need both???
ReplyDeleteWhat about AP at the elementary levels? Can’t they been combined with the much administrative job of literacy coach? Or can’t schools share AP like they were in prior years? Math coaches? What a waste of time. This year they did nothing productive, so why keep them? If they are funded through grant money—use that money for something else.
Makes no sense to take away programs form kids when principals/administrators/office staff are part of the waste. Let’s not trim from the bottom—these kids need their balanced, enriching educations. Cut from above. I welcome a board of Ed response.
New hires being presented during this economical crisis and talk of reducing things for our kids in Norwalk--tells us a lot about priorities. Steve ---can you comment on that? Seems contradictory to me.
ReplyDeleteOn Monday evening, April 26th you will be able to watch Susan Marks in action on the Internet. Montgomery County's Board of Education will receive a briefing on some committee on hiring. Marks is on the committee as this is her area. The discussion will include hiring and "onboarding". As onboarding has never been discussed before, this should be interesting.
ReplyDeleteWatch here:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/boe/meetings/
Written packet for meeting presentation:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/boe/meetings/agenda/2009-10/2010-0426/6.0%20Hiring%20for%20Excellence%20and%20Equity%20BOE.pdf
If you want to save money from central office, start by looking at the job description of the Director of Elementary Education. The person in this position has 12 people to evaluate. There is not much else for this person to do.
ReplyDeleteSince the Grants job was never filled, just put the Director of Elementary Ed back into the Grants position. Makes sense!
What do you thnk Steve? why can't come positons be combined or moeny taken from grants. Sounds like you have some great ideas. WIll you try themout? It sound slike no one in happy with the BOE taking away from kids. SO let;s not--find a way to restructure from above and save money there. If you are really parents not politians you will make that happen. Let's have these people who make 130K and more from us tax payers EARN their money. Let's reflct: in the real world do people who make so much leave at 4 with no work to do at home?? They have the life. Let's make them accountable and give them more to do.
ReplyDeleteTo clarify, Side by Side absolutely has to provide special services to their students and they do, wonderfully. They have a full time provider in the school who is incredible and very hands on. The school is incredible and very well run.
ReplyDelete5:41: Glad to hear that there is a special services provider now at Side By Side - this was not the case for my son. When my children began at Side by Side, no one was a bigger cheerleader for the school than I was. I even convinced other parents from Westport to bring their children to the program - we were looking for a school that would provide diversity and challenge. My final thoughts are just like any school, keep on watching and monitoring what is going on.
ReplyDeleteThis is a link to all the grants for schools in CT. http://www.sde.ct.gov/sde/cwp/view.asp?a=2683&Q=320346
ReplyDeleteWhich are we applying for? Looks like we're eligible to get quite a few - Moira, could you do an article on this? Thank you!
Given the number of questions being posed directly to me, I wanted to take a few moments to try to respond as directly as I can.
ReplyDeleteRegarding new hires, there are some posts that must be filled whether by law, by virtue of the fact that greater grant funding is dependent upon that position and others are needed because they play a vital role in our children's education and there is no one else who can perform that function.
Concerning complaints that we should eliminate assistant principals and/or literacy coaches because of the contention that some administrators are not overworked, I can only respond by relying upon the maxim espoused by Mr. Justice Holmes: "Great cases, like hard cases, make bad law." I don't think it is appropriate to make planning decisions based upon the exceptionally great multi-tasking AP in an elementary school in much the same way that I don't think we should make decisions based upon rumors of the existence of a ne'er-do-well-knitting administrator. Rather, we need to fund those positions that benefit our children's educations and then be certain to effect the means by which those positions are encouraged to thrive, while also being evaluated.
Certainly, I can not envision looking solely at school-based positions to eke out some budget savings. I do believe (and this is just my own personal belief) that at times like these we need to closely examine every dollar spent.
Regarding the third grade strings program and the artistically talented program, as was explained to me, because enrollment is increasing in several elementary schools for next year, we would need to hire an additional art teacher and music/strings teacher if the current system (where the art teacher also handles artistically talented and where in some schools the general music teacher is also the strings teacher).
Steve, I am hopeful that you see beyond the case of some 'bad' literacy coaches and that you restructure that job so that you get more bang for the buck. The job description that was created several years ago is no longer effective for today's teachers. The next step must be taken. The literacy coach's position must evolve with the times. Create a position(s) so that the system is a 'school system' learning new techniques, not a system of schools off on their own learning whatever the literacy coach deems appropriate. (if in fact the literacy coach is even coaching)
ReplyDeleteI hope you will consider this the appropriate time to take advantage of budget cuts and to fashion a new and necessary model for Norwalk that others in Connecticut will want to replicate in their own districts.
Steve, I understand your point BUT some schools are also losing students in elementary school. Numbers change all the time. Plus-- is it that som schools have 19 kids in grade 4 and some have 25? Another issue.
ReplyDeleteI am still upset about the strings program and AT possibly being cut--makes not sense.
Also--ways to save that are not being looked at: air conditioning/heat being used when not needed. (Happens ALL the time). What happened to saving money with recycling? Still not happening at our school.
Steve,
ReplyDeleteWhat was the outcome of the study of staffing at NHS?
I'm still wondering about last year's budget cuts and the follow-up mess that ensued. Isn't it true that Norwalk's athletic department, as a result of budget cuts last year, now has to pay for the use of their own pool at Norwalk High? Does this make any sense at all? Please make sure that all known savings for this year's budget don't wind up with consequences like this!
ReplyDeleteWhat cuts are proposed at the high schools? I think we need to make sure these kids are prepared to graduate and either earn a living or be prepared to go on to competitive colleges. Not certain this is happening and that there is enough pressure at the high school level to be driving our kids to the level that is needed to succeed -let along excel.
ReplyDeleteI for one will not be loosing sleep if we loose AT at the MS level. I will be happy to have my kid attend 2 language arts classes each day. Most kids can't write and the extra class time may be helpful. Let's elevate the level expected for all students. The system is currently unfair. Perhaps there can be after school programs for those kids who are truly AT.
I agree with Anon 4:59. And here's a little solution in these tight budget times for everyone who believes we should not cut the strings program back. How about you pay on your own for music lessons just like everyone used to do in the good old days. Why should I have to pay for your kid to be in strings classes? I'm a taxpayer, but my kids are long graduated from Norwalk schools.
ReplyDeleteGood grief.. we're not recycling??? Are you kidding me? How do we get away with that?
ReplyDeleteAlso, for a kindergarten entry cut off of DEC 31 (most states it's Sept 1, Sept 31) half day KG isn't so bad. Most states have KG half day or less.. 3 days/week. We have the youngest KG kids in the country (thus the most redshirting).. and many of these kids are just not ready for the long days anyway.
>>BREAKING UPDATE<< Friday, April, 23, 2010
ReplyDelete10 DAYS LEFT, to get Hartford in gear. Just TEN DAYS, remaining.
There was some movement this week up in Hartford on desperately needed education legislation.
Apparently your voices are having some impact folks, yea, they hear your whispers, they need to you roar, LOUDER.
Time is just about out, this is YOUR government, let them HEAR you. They have to act and act NOW, so do you.
They wont do anything unless you push them, HARD shove is in order.
Take the time, make the time, get it on the hotline grapevine.
This is too important, too much money, to much at stake to allow this extrodinary historic resource for our children to let it slip away.
The previous bills needed for education reforms HB 5491 - HB-5425 - HB 440 have undergone some mashing this week.
Alex Johnson, of CONNCAN, a strong local education improvement non profit - which is currently scaling up nationwide,
Alex stated Friday April, 23, 2010 he "was concerned that too much is being left on the floor in the editing room". Alex added, that he was unsure that there was the spinal fortitude do get this critical piece of legislation done.
No back bone?
What does everyone think about that?
We have that stubborn bolder, actually, moving, we just need to all come together this weekend and whip out the blow torches and lite em up.
Shove that stubborn bolder down that hill.
There is no, NO, other issue of both historic and future significance for our children.
This legislation has the potential to bring millions into Norwalks district as well as other struggling districts.
Millions for Norwalk students?
No brainer folks.
Email, telephone everyone you know. Get them all to call, email, get their voices heard, immediately.
You have the power, use it, or lose Millions.
Take the time and email Andy and Thomas and tell them you appreciate their work and TELL them to get this done, no exceptions, NO EXCUSES.
You, yes you reading this, you have the power to make a real lasting significant difference.
Take the time and email Andy and Thomas and tell them you appreciate their work and TELL them to get this done, no exceptions, NO EXCUSES.
Tell Larry and Bob to stand up to the plate and swing.
Here's your chance. Our last chance to make it count really count for the kids.
3.4 Billion dollars people.
Lite up the burners and get your representatives moving, mach 3.
State Representative Thomas Gaffey
Chairman of the Education committee co sponsor
Email - Gaffey@senatedems.ct.gov
Toll-free hotline 1-800-842-1420
State Representative Andy Fleischmann
Co-Chairman of the Education committee and co sponsor of the legislation, being written this weekend.
Email - Andrew.Fleischmann@cga.ct.gov
Hotline - 860.240.0420
State Representative Larry Caffero of the 142nd district:
Email - Lawrence.Cafero@housegop.state.ct.us
Toll free 800-842-1423
State Senator Bob Duff for the 25th district;
Email - Duff@senatedems.ct.gov
Telephone - Toll free - 800-842-1420
If your child has an inetersted they should be able to start strings at age 8--where developmentally they are able to learn and thrive.
ReplyDeleteAs for AT--we need to differientiate instruction for those kids that qualify--after school programs--who will pay for it? Same issue. AT is critial--those are our top thinkers. They need to be challneged--they know how to read and write and look foward to the challenges of AT courses. My child does not qualify, but my neighbor's son does. It is the right thing to do to have these special programs where he can be challenged.
So why aren't we recycling?? The teacher's union ( I believe) last year suggested it to save money---let's wake up and do it. maybe we cna pay for the AT and strings teqacher with that moeny.
Steve C--Board of Ed--is there anything real about what 6:29 said??
ReplyDeleteI agree--most kids are not rady for a full day of kindergarten.....too demanding. Steve, what are you thoughts and those of the board of ed? I would rather keep the At program in middle school and strings than full day kindergarten. Those 5 year olds are being asked to do things that are developemtally advenaced for their age.
ReplyDeleteAs a parent of a current kindergartener (born in August) we have had a year of tears (lots of homework) and struggles which is only now In April getting better. He is exhausted almost every school day—hardly has time to play and socialize and is being drilled in class. I think he would have benefited from a half day program Teacher would tell me often that eh was fine in the morning but afternoon he was wiped—still falls asleep during “rest” time in school (never takes a nap at home). Let’s face it; it is not a bad idea.
ReplyDeleteAgain our kids lose—take away 3rg grade strings and at in the middle school (which makes no sense if they are identified and have been receiving services from an earlier age). Administrative cuts?? Recycling? There are other ways!
ReplyDeleteYou don't find the exceptions (like the handful of kids who were on the young-side emotionally to start kindergarten) and then base a policy on that. Lots of studies show that the skills kidsget in kindergarten are really important for long-term learning--- these skills require full-day kindergarten.
ReplyDeleteYou need to know that kids have short attention spans, so you need a full day to get to all the academic stuff while still giving them time to play and socialize and do all those other really wonderful and important that kindergarten introduces to them.
But that is not the case. K is very acaddemic. There is so much to teach.
ReplyDeleteSteve--if teaches stay at teh same pat as this year--will there be enough money in place to keep all these programs for the kids?? (strings, AT, Art Tal., all day K,)
ReplyDeleteLooks like Norwalk will have to do without some of the frills that other "in need of improvement" systems are going without. Time for a reality check. AT and strings did nothing to enhance the Cambridge Report. Those programs are great for kids, but this system can no longer afford them. Period.
ReplyDeleteNot true--let's cut the frills from above and start demandng more from our administrators. They get paid big bucks, are not evaluated, and are now offering what we need. Cambridge report specifically outlines administrative things that had to be happne/changed. Let's give to our kids--not continue to be okay with taking from them.
ReplyDeleteI am curious thooug as 5:52 asked....could the programs be saved with a no increase from the teachers?
As a district we need to get our kids excited about learning. AT, Artistically talented, strings, full day kindergarten, all do that in different ways, affecting different kids. Literacy coaches? AP? Nay….
ReplyDeleteWhat ever happened to those math coaches (that are being paid through a grant) are they on the chopping block too? They should be as they are a waste of grant money. Use that grant money for something else.
Steve—since you read this….question. Front page of today’s Hour Newspaper talks about $2 million bond refinancing surplus. Can’t his money be used for education since there was a zero % increase and this money was not foreseen?? Makes sense to me!
ReplyDeletebetween recycling and the $2 mil we should be in good shape right?? WHY ARE WE NOT RECYCLING?? Laziness??
ReplyDeletewow--interesting about the $2. I have to go look at the paper. Why can't that money be used for education???? Interested in seeig what the BOE says about it,
ReplyDeleteI saw it too this morning and thought the same thing. Let's ask that this money be used for education!!
ReplyDeleteI feel compelled to respond to the person who said that administrators are not evaluated...all school administrators are evaluated. This is required of each school district. The meat and potatoes of this is, who does the evaluations/are they qualified based on training/not just on the position they hold, what is the criteria of the evaluation(for example, who is at all skilled or qualified in evaluating the tech. director position?). Norwalk has been without a "real" Superintendent for so long, it is no wonder things look as grim as they do. Good or bad, a leader is required at the helm or you get exactly what we have in Norwalk right now...no sense of direction, multiple backseat drivers, multiple factions doing their own thing since no one is coordinating the big picture. As much as Norwalk needed to fill the Superintendent position with a great leader, by continually hiring interims, the previous who was a bufoon at best, and the current, who unfortunately shows some promise but is just to keep the ship from capsizing 'til the newly hired Superintendent can start...Norwalks indecisiveness is the cause of some of this turmoil.
ReplyDeleteSo what's the solution to all this financial mess? Let the new Superintendent begin with the resources and power she needs. If house-cleaning is in order, let her make that decision. If there is financial waste, she will find it.
While I may be placing a lot of faith in her ability to do these and other tasks, this is precisely her job, as was Dr. Nasts. The new Super needs to be able to set the tone and direction, be a change-agent, and most of all, instill a sense of confidence that the district is heading in the right direction.
The BOE, due to their poor group dynamic and judgement skills, allowed major hirings to occur(tech and elem. ed. directors to name 2) without a Superintendent who's hired to live with the consequences of the hiring or the ability to choose the candidate in the first place. There should have been a hiring freeze to force the BOE to hire a Superintendent.
In fiscally tight times such as this, tough decisions will be made...and some of those decisions will play a negative role in your child's education. Race to the Top not only requires Norwalk to get their act together, but the entire state, if there is any hope of grant funding. Knowing the Papallo had the chance early on to take advantage of this grant and plead ignorance and then drag his feet once the cat was out of the bag summed up his entire interim career with Norwalk. Perhaps we need to look at sharing resources between city and school?
Finally...a glimmer of hope from someone on this blog. 4:43 is obviously someone who has been through thick and thin in this system. His/her post speaks the truth about the sad state of affairs in Norwalk Public Schools. The new superintendent has so much crap at the front door, that hopefully she(has she signed yet??) will get enough time to get things straightened (shoveled) out. Bringing back Papallo was a big mistake, and most thought that all would forget his first tenure here post Victor Herbert. Corda turned out to be the clown prince of supers, and his array of court jesters left us in a shambles. This next budget will be detrimental to kids because of the incompetents who came before. Most of the sitting school administrators are Corda hires, which means most should go. Some will thankfully find their way to retirement. Teachers out there, stay strong. Parents, bite the bullet for the next couple of years. When the eyes stray from the target, some inevitable pain will ensue. Everybody should pay better attention to what's going on regarding education in this town. Thanks, 4:43, for bringing us back.
ReplyDeleteSounds a bit like 5:40 wrote 4:43 also.
ReplyDeleteI am disappointed to discoer the lack of recycling, also. What can we do to get this started? It seems like free money, if you ask me.
ReplyDeleteAs for half-day kindergarten, I believe this could have a negative financial impact on the working parents of kindergarteners whom rely on the full day schedule. While I recognize that the district needs to focus on their own BOE finances, the fact is that Norwalk is a city with a diverse socio-economic population and the BOE should always evaluate how their decisions may potentially create a financial burden to some families of students - many that are already struggling during this economic meltdown. Just look at the reason why many Norwalk parents of children with late year birthdays do not hold back their children from entering kindergarten at the levels done so in the more affluent communities surrounding Norwalk - they can't afford to.
ReplyDeleteI believe in all-day kindergarten because I know it helps students develop skills and the readiness to learn other skills in grades 1 and beyond. Having said that, I add that while I am sympathetic to the parents whose lives would be in turmoil by half-day kindergarten, this isn't a justification for the full-day program.
ReplyDeleteLet's talk about what makes academic sense, as well as why it makes academic sense. To use child care as the reason is a mistake because that is very expensive child care. If that is the community's only concern, there are less costly alternatives.
Onto a different topic:
I agree that administrators are evaluated, but I know that their evaluations must
lack any relationship to the quality of the work that some of the administrators are doing. There are a few reasons for this. One is that those evaluating the administrators are afraid of the forceful (often nasty) personalities, especially those who have established allies on the board of education or within the community. It is amazing how much these people have gotten away with, often in a very public way.
Another reason is that administrators too often treat evaluation as a necessary nuisance, not as a means of improving an administrator's performance and, consequently, both teacher and student outcomes.
Equally bad are the cases of administrators who have been victimized by some of the administrative craziness that has existed in Norwalk for far too long. These are administrators who care about doing their jobs well, but who are perceived as being a threat to some in more powerful positions, perhaps because they are intelligent enough to see through some of the buffoonery, perhaps because they sometimes have made comments that were unpopular, perhaps because they wouldn't kneel in homage before those who demand subservient behavior.
Yet another is the networks of cronyism within the school system. I say "networks" because there are different power groups that protect those within their ranks. Until the board can develop a sense of seriousness of purpose, this will continue. Norwalk deserves better.
I sincerely hope that the new superintendent can make a difference by addressing the problem in an effective way. She may be very competent but she is going to need the support of others. I am not confident that she will receive it.
3:54, I am writing to confirm what you are saying. The most obvious power groups are in the elementary schools. Unfortunately I hear that the new superintendent loves to work with unions in her district. She listens to their advice and gives them lots of power. Guess what what the outcome of that would mean in our elementary schools! The craziness would not only continue, it would strengthen the leaders' hold on the other administrators...
ReplyDeleteLet me tell you that this process has already begun in Norwalk. Contact has already been made. She is already making nice nice with the wrong people.
Anon 6:45--There is nothing wrong with Marks having already made contact, whether with the good, the bad, or the ugly. It is part of dipping her toe into the water and getting to know the temperature of the district. She is savvy enough to make this contact and use her brain to figure out the agendas. I, for one, am glad she isn't waiting until July to try to get a lay of the land. It shows she is interested in her new position and wants to make a smooth transition. It is also best that she does it this way on her own rather than coming to the district and getting sucked into a rumor mill when she is smart enough to make her own assessments of who is worth their salt and who is not. Just my humble opinion. I'd like to see us rally behind Marks, so she has a snowball's chance in Purgatory of making change for the better of the district.
ReplyDeleteBack to cuts in the budget -
ReplyDeleteA $200,000 savings that could fund some of these AT cuts is the Director of Elementary Education. This would not affect students at all. It wouldn't even affect the person in that position, since her old position hasn't even been filled yet. Let the AS evaluate the 12 elementary teachers. It's additional work for him, but let him suck it up.
Until there is a seriousness of purpose about the evaluation of administrators, it won't matter who evaluates them.
ReplyDeleteTwo thoughts: 1st - Having the AS evaluate the elementary principals is a scary thought. He doesn't have a clue about the work that they do, about what goes on in the elementary schools, or about how to inspire and motivate.
ReplyDelete2nd - Marks is smart to work with the unions. Corda refused, and for the last couple of years he and Bruce Mellion weren't even on speaking terms. Look where that got the district. They will have to work together to pull the district ahead.
4:18, the new Director of Elem Ed has no experience in elementary either. Supervision is supervision. I evaluated, I know.
ReplyDeleteBecause it's almost 5 a.m. and time to start the day, I wanted to try to respond to all the posts that came up over the weekend.
ReplyDeleteFirst, the savings from the bond refinancing will not all be available this coming year—but, there will be some savings. I hope that the BET will consider those savings when finalizing the budget amount for the Board of Education.
Second, there has been some speculation that we should not have taken Supt. Nast's suggestion regarding the Interim Dir. of Pupil Pers. Services (i.e., the special ed director). Unfortunately, a long history of serious issues in the special education department, I think, necessitated the interim hire.
Third, I have heard that the high school athletic departments are being asked to fund money for the pool-- I need to investigate that matter because it seems odd that the amount for the pool would not have already been included in the budget.
Fourth, I have asked the question about recycling directly to Dr. Dan Cook and have been assured that an assumption was made in the budget that recycling would occur in the schools and that costs for waste removal could stay flat (because any cost increase would be offset by the recycling savings).
Fifth, my own opinion about Middle School AT is that it is serves both an academic and social-development need of our gifted students. I think the program is very important.
Sixth, full-day kindergarten is critical. In my opinion, the relatively modest numbers of children who are not ready to start kindergarten are far outweighed by the children who benefit from the program.
Seventh, the early childhood education specialist is needed for a number of reasons-- (1) we need to be advancing our full-day pre-school program if we want to close the achievement gap (countless studies prove this point), (2) we receive more in grant funding which is dependent upon this position than the position costs and (3) the Brookside Preschool is in the process of starting its national certification (which is required for its continued grant funding) and for which having a director with knowledge of the process will be very important.
Eight: Some posters have commented on past mistakes-- although I might agree that some of the budget and hiring decisions of the former interim supt. were not fiscally prudent, lacking a time machine, I can't go back in time and try to recoup some of those funds (even though any surplus would be available for us to carry over into next fiscal year). What I can do is to try to learn from the way the budget was reconciled in the past.
Nine: Others have suggested that the Asst. Supt. take-on responsibility for the Dir. of Elementary Education post. Because of the complexity of assigning those tasks, I will be asking Supt. Nast for his opinion on that matter and will also hope to consult with the parties whose jobs would be impacted by such a decision; at this time, I do not feel that I have sufficient information to warrant suggesting such a cut. We should all be mindful that when we eliminate a position, we are taking away someone's livelihood and, as such, decisions need to be made with an abundance of caution and an absolute certainty that only the interests of the school children and the taxpayers are motivating the decision to cut. And, for those of you who haven’t met her, the Dir. Of Elem. Education is an earnest, hard-working administrator who wants our elementary schools to succeed- so any decision to eliminate her position needs to also evaluate the cost to the district were we to lose this educator.
Ten: If I missed any other suggestions, please don’t hesitate to email them to me (stevecolarossi@yahoo.com or colarosss@norwalkps.org). Unless you direct me otherwise, I keep the communications I receive strictly confidential.
WHat about the $2 million extra money.....wont that solve some problems??
ReplyDeleteSo the AS evaluate elementary makes sense to me...he wil have to learn about what to do. Let's not just say it will be to hard for him--times are tough. Job rolls are changing all the time in the real world. Better to add this to his job descritpion than to lose a program for the kids.
Plus--lets get rid of these couaches--both literacy and math---waste of money. Elementary schools do not need an AP and a literacy coach.
Steve--sorry to see you have not posted comments--some great insight/ideas have been posdted for you. I hope you are listening and report back to the BOE.
Thanks for your feedback Steve---as a parent and teacher in Norwalk I value your input but I have to tell you that the recycling piece has not been implemented yet--it was supposed to be done last year as a savings this year. I cringed as I watch all the trash be hauled out in one container because it is easier.
ReplyDeleteI also believe in AT for middle school (it is critical for those kids) and all day kindergarten. But I also believe in the strings program starting in 3rd grade. It has a wonderful reputation and as a teacher I have seen it be powerful for so many students (I teach a lower grade, but have seen my former students—some who are SPED students who find their way with the violin and socially fit in and gain self-confidence as they gain knowledge and skills, because of being part of the strings program.) My children never took strings lessons, but I have seen it be powerful for so many students so I would like to see it continue for those students. (And as someone noted—what would be that cost savings by eliminating the 3rd grade program—not much. What are looking at 1 teacher??)
I think that another thing that needs to be looked at is class size across the district. Why do some schools have an average class size of 22 – some while other schools have 15 (I have ever heard of 12) in a room? This is an issue for me.
And what about the heating and air systems in the schools??? Almost all my colleagues in Norwalk complain of heat being on on a warm day and air in the winter. SO much $ is wasted on this.
There have been some leadership issues in the past—but we are moving in the right direction. I hope you take these comments seriously—I am seeing lots of good ideas and advice. I hope there is follow through so that the students of Norwalk benefit. They are our future.
HEY- 3:34 A.M.-- KNOW IT WAS EARLY WHEN YOU BLOGGED, BUT COLAROSSI RESPONDED TO ALL OUR POSTS FROM THE WEEKEND.
ReplyDelete"an assumption was made in the budget that recycling would occur in the schools"
ReplyDeleteWhich means what, exactly? It was said 2 years ago it would be done.. it was said last year it would be done.
It CAN start tomorrow. And a net earning from recycling, too to pay for some of those frivilous expenditures. Litke teachers.
Steve,
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to the study about staffing at NHS?
I guess you won't be discussing the NHS staffing study?
ReplyDeleteI have been endeavoring to respond to questions which are posted here in a timely fashion so that we, as a community, have an open and transparent discussion about the school department budget. Unfortunately, for the impatient folks in our midst, time constraints don't allow my hourly or daily monitoring-- which is why I always encourage people with questions to email me directly so that they can get a very prompt response.
ReplyDeleteThe staffing study of Norwalk High School provided us some interesting information that about 90 students are taking two music classes each semester and that a large number of students are also taking two foreign languages. This is what the professionals advise us is the rationale for the 8-period day.
However, given the large numbers of students who are assigned to study halls at Norwalk High School (compared to BMHS), it is uncertain if there is a lack sufficient electives for them to take, a glitch with scheduling (where the second half of many courses that can be split are not offered in the same block as the first half) or some other combination of factors. However, based upon what I have heard at the Finance Committee meetings and in the materials which the Norwalk High School Principal and the Asst. Supt. have provided, I do not think that reducing by 3 teaching positions at Norwalk High School will increase the number of students in study halls-- certainly, I will review any additional information which is provided.
Regarding recylcing, when I asked Dr. Cook, he told me that it was anticipated when the budget was prepared that there would be cost increases for waste removal but that those increases would be offset by the savings that would come from recylcing. The amount he put in the budget for waste removal reflected the savings that would come in 2010-2011 from recycling.
Finally, there have been some rumors that the budget is to be voted on during the first week in May. In my opinion, this would be impossible as the BET has not yet voted on the actual amount the BOE will be accorded. Also, the public deserves time to fully review the final list of budget cuts (which can only be made when we have our final line item) and comment on them.
Steve--the question is why wasn't recycling started last year?? Who is to blame for that? That could have saved us some money.
ReplyDeleteWhere does the money come from to pay for the math coaches? If we are eliminating literacy coaches, wouldn't it make sense to cut math coaches first and use that money for something else especially since from what I have read on this blog not one person said that they have benefitted them.
Also, what is the status of third grade strings?? I have yet to hear how much one teache would save from a program which has gotten so much support.
Lastly, any central office administrators being cut??
Steve and Moina--can someone tell us what you are hearing in terms of where we are in the budget process....what may actually be saved and what will go? I feel like we talk abotu things and then no ne talks about them. I love this blog....lots of great ideas of what to save and cut--but the bottom line is IS ANYONE who matters listening??
ReplyDeleteSteve will you bring this info to your meetings and share that this is what parents are asking for??
As a parent I am fruustarted--we keep taking from our kids and not cutting from the top--I know we need strong administartors but I think there is an obvious lack of accountability at
ReplyDeletethe top and that needs to be addressed.
I think 5:28's comments about eliminating math coaches is valid--use their money for something else (especially since from what I have read they are not making as much of an impact like lit coaches are.) Let's use that money for something else......
ANy thoughts on that??
If you want the entire Board of Education and Supt. Nast to know about your proposals, you need to email them or make your points known during the public comment periods of the Board of Education and Finance Committee meetings.
ReplyDeleteI certainly take what I read here under advisement, but there is simply no way of knowing how many different people are actually posting the comments, so there is no real way to know if this blog necessarily represents the voice of the majority of parents.
Steve,
ReplyDeleteSome of these comments are coming from teachers who dare not openly state that the literacy coaches or math coaches have no value. They (we) are able to let you know anonymously. I know it appears to be the 'chickens' way out, but it is the only way to let you know what is really happening.
So where's the new contract, with nothing hidden from the public? (meaning all the extras like lifetime insurance, annuities, etc.)
ReplyDeleteI understand your point Steve, however I tend to think that you need to take this information into strong account and share this blog with other BOE members. I have yet to have read anything strong about math coaches being productive for our school system, and for that matter, literacy coaches as well.
ReplyDeleteI think many people would rather keep anonymous for many reasons and we need to respect that and take the opinions in to consideration.
3:27, I agree wholeheartedly.
ReplyDeleteDitto--
ReplyDeleteAlso, stop hiding behind the presumption that these are teachers writing their ideas. We are concerned parents who want what is best for our kids. BOE members hould be looking at this info.
I am sure they are but they are too afriad to accept that these are real people. What do they think it is one person writing everything?
ReplyDeleteFor the people who are not wriitng.....too bad they do not feel strongly about their opinions to voice them on a blog like this. It is a great format!
Still awaiting the best kept secret in NPS history....Susan Marks contract with all the extra benefits included.....
ReplyDeleteSo what is moving forward? I want to know what the BOE is truly considering cutting?
ReplyDeleteAlso, again headline in the The Hour today--city gets money in back taxes.....can't we use this money for education??? I can not understand why between this money and the bonds being refinanced some more money can not be poured into education--Mayor Moccia. BOE, city officals....are you listening??
HELP SAVE OUR FAILING SCHOOL SYSTEM--don't just stand back and watch it go down.
The city has its own problems financially. The "district" gets a huge chunk of money and it needs to distribute it within itself accordingly. With creativitiy, leaders at each school could utiliize grant monies for their own purpose. What if the city is badly in need of a fire truck or two new police cars? What if the city is in need of more fire or police personnel? What about more library hours, especially on Sundays for those people who work during the week and attend classes at night? There are many needs besides those in the schools.
ReplyDeleteOur school system is badly in need of management that gets the most out of its employees. A previous poster stated that the teachers he/she has known were "dysfunctional" and "immature." I understand. It can appear that way. Corda's regime was an anti-teacher, pro-administrator fifedom. In business, it's fairly known that control management will breed the worst sort of employee. Our schools need to get the best bang for its buck. It's time to empower the employee base, share the wealth of creativity from within our schools, support the teachers, and truly listen to them about what works when it comes to kids. More money will not get the best bang. Good leadership at each school will. It will.
It appears that the Director of Elementary Ed has let her position go to her head. Power can change people. I'm waiting to hear if her position is being cut. This appointment was not necessary and she can still go back to her old job.
ReplyDeleteWhat does that mean? Be specific so we can support yor commnets foe the betterment of our school system.
ReplyDeleteI agree 7:43, howevere rigth now money wil save our programs for opur kids.....I am sad that no new info is being posted (espcailly since form what I have heard there is a lot of behind th scenes things happening). I, as a parent and tax payer, want to know where things stand.
ReplyDeleteAlso, here are a few things that I would like addressed:
math coaches....who pays for them? Are they
necessary, if not use that money in a different way.
secretaries---what do they do? No one is answering the phones anymore and princiapls are writng their own messages?? 2 in each school is a waste of money!
class size.. Ihear that sme schools have SMALL and some have larger....why?? Silvermine with 14 in a class??
I agree--so many parents want to know what is going on .... Steve can you update us? Is there any new money coming to education? Are there are admin being cut instead of programs for our kids??
ReplyDeleteso 10 days later and no updates/......not one word in the local papers, asked my child's teacher and prinicapl and they claimto know nothing about what is going on. how can we, the parents know what is goingon? i guess our opinions do not count.
ReplyDeletefor me, i do not think they should take away middle school AT, thrd grade strings, or full day K. these things are critial to help challenge/enrich all students. we need to support stduents. cut from above PLEASE!! For our children!
CUT THE BLOATED 100K ADMINISTRATORS IN THE CENTRAL ORIFICE !!!
ReplyDeleteSteve--can you give us some feedback??? PLEASE
ReplyDeleteWe will know where we stand tonight when the BET sets the budget amount.
ReplyDeleteSupt Nast will be holding a budget workshop tonight to review additional proposed cuts. The Finance Committee will then be reviewing those suggested cuts during a number of open meetings, taking additional comment from the public, gathering data to support our decisions and then issuing a report to the entire BOE.
If you have particular questions, please email me.
For those of you who feel particularly passionate about specific programs, I would also suggest sharing your opinions with all of the members of the Board of Education. Although I do not speak for my fellow BOE members, I know that they are all working very hard on what has been a very collaberative process and that they all care deeply about our children.
Thank you for your response Steve--please continue to keep us posted and to fight for our children in Norwalk
ReplyDeleteI do have to say that I invite you and the other BOE members to come to Marvin's strings concert on May 20th where the third grade strings students will be preforming. I think this is an eye opening experience to see the hard work of students at sucha young age first hand with a program that may be potentially cut. Seeing stduenst of all academic backgrounds shine is amazing!
Before we cut any programs, Norwalk needs to look into giving more money towards education---if you read the paper the past week there is discussionof extra money that is coming in--let's put it towards education.
ReplyDeleteBefore we cut programs let fix programs and solve existing problems and save money.
ReplyDeleteSome issues: heat in schools today (YES!! MY CHILD CAME HOME FROM HIS FIRST GRADE CLASSROOM IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN NORWALK SOAKING from sweating all day being in a classroom with the heat on ALL day. There was no air circulation and some studenst even felt ill. His teacher looked like she was going to pass out.
Still no recycling being done.
Do we need AP and literacy coaches at each school??
That is ridiculous and unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteFunny, our school had the ac on so cold all day that my children froze......hhmmmm Steve, can this be brought up to someone as a way to save money? Here we are wastng money and then cutting programs from our kdis. Unbelievable.
Re: the AC and the heat... this is precisely the waste that occurs see day in, day out. Asking teachers to give back to finance more waste is unacceptable. We need checks and balance, people, along with GOOD leadership in each building.
ReplyDeleteWe had the same issue today at themiddle school with a shcool that was unbearable with the heat. My child who suffers from asthma had a horrible day.....so those of you who say kids need to be tough and go to school until June 30th shoudl know thatthe conditions in the school are unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteThis is the email address to send an email to the ENTIRE Board. (As per the BOE section of the NPS website).
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Email them your comments and share with us all your replies!
I just came on to the blog tonight—looking for any updates as to what happened at the meeting this evening. My child’s school was hot as well today….he actually slipped in the boy’s bathroom because it was so hot and humid that the floors were wet. I was upset but even more so now that I hear that the heat was on……I would write but I want to remain anonymous. How can I do that? Any ideas? Unfortunately one is easily labeled the “problem” parent with the big mouth
ReplyDeleteI just came on too to look for updates from tonight. After reading these comments, I have to laugh... Guess where my kids are going on a field trip later in the month?... THE GARBAGE MUSEUM TO LEARN ABOUT RECYCLING!!! What a joke. Meanwhile I will try to model behavior my kids don't see in school.
ReplyDeleteOdd, isn't it? Witnessed air conditioners running in the office today for the principal, VP, and secretaries. At the same time, the students and teachers worked in humid, hot rooms with little ventilation. Question: how does the heat and humidity affect the presence of radon gas (what's the recent report on those schools who listed leaks?, as well as mold, mildew and asbestos, all of which are known to exist in older building structures? Of course, the kids and teachers will wing it, but they do deserve some empathy. Some of the previous comments about roughing it is downright laffable.
ReplyDeleteHere is the update from my own perspective of tonight's meeting.
ReplyDeleteSupt. Nast and his staff provided the sort of in-depth, top-to-bottom review of the budget, along with analysis of how assumptions were made, that was sorely lacking in January's budget presentation.
He has presented an array of suggest cuts that was not met with universal support. These cuts on tomorrow night's agenda, and will be reviewed at the Monday, May 10th Finance Committee hearing.
What were the specifics of what will be cut???
ReplyDeleteWOW! I didn't think Norwalk was that bad. But I can see now. Last year they had an African American as a finalist for the instructional specialist for math but they did not hire due to budget. I am sure that person applied again for the position. It would make sense when the person was a finalist the year before. But I think that this person was not even interviewed for a position that the person was a finalist a year before. If you look at Central Office in Norwalk it is devoid of color anyway. So this is no surprise.
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